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Half dead brand support (Peugeot in America)

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Half dead brand support (Peugeot in America)

PostThu Jan 31, 2013 6:45 pm

I find myself in a bit of a limbo.

For the brief time that Peugeot was in the states, they left behind a 405 Mi16 that has made it's way into my care. However, I at times find myself at a bit of a loss as to how to care for her. Is there a database that will tell me what components are shared with the european versions vs what was only used for the USDM? Was there actually Anything different?! :x

My logic tells me that for the same FI 1.9L 16v twin cam XU9 block that I should be able to plug and play components with the the european Mi16, but given my recent fiscal error, I'm looking for more than a feeling. :?

...I've just let myself be tricked by rockauto's USmarket flag (and confirmed by amazon that it'd work... maybe I should find alternative research venues) into buying an ignition coil for a 405 S rather than my Mi16, and I'm not able to find a US market marked handbrake cable at all.
BlackIce_GTS wrote:M is a number somewhere between 53 and 75, X is between 12 and 13
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Re: Half dead brand support (Peugeot in America)

PostTue Feb 05, 2013 9:37 pm

I mentioned this in your other thread, but this is probably a question for the people at Peugeot-L ( http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Peugeot-L/ ).

One rule of owning a Peugeot: Never trust the RockAuto catalog. I buy lots of parts through them, but I always verify the application via other sources. The catalog information is obtained from the parts suppliers, and US parts suppliers are really sloppy about French applications.

There are still a few PSA parts distributors in the US. Western Hemispheres ( http://westernhemispheres.com/ ) is the only one that I know of with an online catalog. Otherwise, they seem to be email- or telephone-only affairs.

WH says they have four Mi16 coils in stock. Their links often don't work if copied, so go there and search for "Q-2526009". They're pretty pricey. It looks like the PSA part number is 5970.42 . That can help you out on a Google search.

If you're comfortable reading French, one source of useful catalog information is http://www.oscaro.com/ (you're looking for a bobine d'allumage). It's only good for application and cross-reference data, since they won't ship outside of France or Spain.

Just out of curiosity, what coil did you buy and what does your current coil look like?

Have fun. I actually enjoy these parts searches.
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Re: Half dead brand support (Peugeot in America)

PostTue Feb 05, 2013 10:20 pm

Thanks for the link! I think I may have stumbled upon the yahoo group a while back, but had been thrown off by the interface, so I'd started looking elsewhere.

Rockauto! Now you tell me! :lol: Unfortunately, I had decided to gamble on the coil, rationalizing that we got the more potent (and thus limited) engine options, and the "representative photo" coils (where anyone bothered) didn't look too far off, it had a chance of fitting. I imagined seeing bosch somewhere too (probably elsewhere on the ignition system) so that helped sway me to the 00062 (and cheaper to boot!).

here's the item I used to 'confirm' my initial purchase: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-00062-Ignition-Coil/dp/B000BZFXOW/ref=au_pf_ss_2?ie=UTF8&Make=Peugeot%7C28&Model=405%7C157&Year=1991%7C1991&carId=001&n=15684181&s=automotive I'm going to put amazon with the same confidence as rockauto now... :roll: what I got ended up looking a lot more like this: http://images.marketplaceadvisor.channeladvisor.com/hi/67/67274/fiat-ignition-coil-bosch-late.jpg

You're absolutely right about the part number, I finally took the time to brave the cold and pull the coil, getting the part number off the bottom being a Duclellier 2526009a.

Now then, I may be falling into the same trap as before, but I see that smp 12303 replaces duclellier 2526009a! and it's offered by RA for even less than that bosch unit (at least it calls out the MI16 model...)!
and it looks like these stock images!
http://partfinder.smpeurope.com/index.html?p=156&partid=12303&from=155&SESSID=4h4uc65bmnnp9il4cmtu97skd6 YES!
http://www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/PartDetails.aspx?s_pc=PC12303&s_vid= meh
http://smp.cms10.ama.uk.com/index.html?p=156&partid=12303&from=153&recordset=208&value=12303&SESSID=i9cd952mfmcopr9ovu1mqcae84 YES!

2/3 doesn't seem so bad, right? Though they do look to be the same source...

I took french for 2 years in highschool, so... Not so much confidence in being able to outdo google translate. :P

As an aside: I just stumbled upon a 505's coil and realized I can get myself into a lot of trouble again just by missing something visually subtle like the orientation of the prongs here being radial rather than the parallel setup that the ones above have:http://westernhemispheres.com/westernh/itempg.icl?secid=7&subsecid=50&orderidentifier=ID1360125586843426CAC666820&itmid=6972&dirpage=dir2&eflag=0&curitempos=75&numitems=333&ORDERIDENTIFIER=ID1360125586843426CAC666820
BlackIce_GTS wrote:M is a number somewhere between 53 and 75, X is between 12 and 13
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Re: Half dead brand support (Peugeot in America)

PostTue Feb 05, 2013 11:25 pm

Glad to see we're on the right track now. Watch out about those parts at RockAuto that have the European flag next to them. They will ship from the UK, so the shipping charge is pretty high ($32 in this case). Here, we end up with a total of $60 for an ignition coil, which really isn't that bad. I have purchased things from RockAuto UK because the price with shipping is still often cheaper than WH.
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Re: Half dead brand support (Peugeot in America)

PostWed Feb 06, 2013 6:57 am

Far too often I do the parts-I-don't-need-vs-already-paying-for-shipping dance (and ended up doubling my purchase total on that last order)... :P I did see the pricy shipping, unfortunately (or fortunately) I'm guessing shipping compounds for items overseas faster than it does here, plus there don't seem to be many other things to add to the order from that location. So I'll be keeping my total down this time (unless they used the wrong stock image again. :evil: ). Does anything stand out to you that I should watch out for with this one?
BlackIce_GTS wrote:M is a number somewhere between 53 and 75, X is between 12 and 13

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